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shiggity
August 4th, 2005, 05:34 AM
The truth is that the truss rod is a simple device that basically has one purpose: to counter the pull of the strings. That's it. It isn't meant to adjust the height of your strings; you can't set your intonation with it; and with a little foresight, you aren't going to render your guitar useless by attempting to adjust it.

There are a few golden rules to obey when adjusting a truss rod. First, only use the rod to keep your neck as straight as it needs to be…do not use it to adjust your action! Second, only use the proper adjustment tool. If you do not know what it is, check with the manufacturer or visit a good repairman. Finally, do not force anything; an eighth of a turn can make a drastic change. The first step is to know when or in what way the neck needs to be adjusted. Start by sitting with the guitar in the playing position. Make sure it is in tune, and capo at the first fret. If you do not own a capo, you can simply fret the strings, but this may make things a little more difficult. Next, fret the bass string at the 14th fret. You are using the string as a straight edge to read the curve (referred to as relief) of the neck. Check the height of the string over the 6th fret. Gently taping the string to the fret makes the size of this gap clearer.


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The bigger this gap the more relief in the neck. It's a good idea to check the center strings and treble strings as well to give you an idea of the neck overall. It is possible to have a neck that is straighter on one side than the other. If there is no gap at the 6th fret, you are either dead straight or back bowed away from the pull of the strings. A buzzing of the strings open and within the first two frets is a definite indication of back bow. If you are touching at the 6th, let the string go and see if there is a gap at the first fret. The greater this gap, the greater the amount of back bow. Having a straight neck makes for a better playing instrument, but not all guitars and playing styles allow for a completely straight neck. Therefore, some relief is acceptable, and often necessary. Due to the elliptical vibration of a string, a little relief may prevent buzzing in the first and second positions. If you have a strong picking hand and tend to be an aggressive player, you can exaggerate the movement of the string and may need some relief, and higher action. Players with a lighter touch often have straighter necks with lower action. Electric guitars usually have straighter necks than acoustics, and basses typically have more relief than guitars. Be aware that straightening the neck may seem to make your guitar play worse. Tightening the truss rod straightens the neck and consequently lowers the strings, which can create string buzz. However, string height is controlled at the nut and saddle, not in the neck. Likewise, a straight neck may also make a poor fret condition more noticeable. Ultimately though, a good straight neck is the first step in a proper set-up and should help to make your guitar play better. If a straight neck makes the guitar play worse, the neck is either too straight for your playing style or it is a sign that more work is needed.

Once you have a picture of the neck as it is, you need to decide what way to turn the truss rod nut and how much to turn it. Remember in a single action truss rod: tightening the rod straightens the neck, loosening permits it to bow. Before you adjust the nut, make a mark on it that corresponds to a fixed point below it on the access channel to the nut. This will help you gauge how much you have turned and may help you get back to "0" if for some reason you get too far off.

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Once you are prepared to make the adjustment, keep in mind the gap you read at the 6th fret. The greater the gap, the more you will tighten the nut. If you had no gap you will be loosening the nut. Keep in mind that most good necks require no more than half of a turn in either direction. Using the mark you made to note the original position of the nut, start with an eighth of a turn, and check the gap again. Keep tightening or loosening until you can just barely see light through the gap at the 6th fret, but remember not to force anything. Stop if you are applying a lot of torque, and the neck still isn't going straight. The adjustment should be smooth and easy.

Once you have the neck straight, play the instrument and see what effect the adjustment had. If buzzing is apparent in the first few frets, try loosening the nut slightly and see if it helps. If you have buzzing consistently up the neck, you are most likely in need of a good set-up and/or fretwork.

The procedure outlined here is very basic. It is intended for the typical player, and could easily be much more in depth than this. A good repairman would be a lot more precise, while still following a similar procedure. However, from a maintenance standpoint, this is as technical as it needs to be. This same process holds true for any stringed instrument with a single action adjustable truss rod. As long as you follow the basic rules, and never force anything, adjusting a truss rod should be as simple and routine as changing your strings.

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I found this on a site did a little editing and voila, the answer to most of your questions!

Mod edit. Pics added

dmt
August 4th, 2005, 08:23 AM
Good info, I'm gonna save this. I'll just add that on an acoustic, within limits, adjusting the truss rod is an acceptable way to adjust the action.

How 'bout a statement on seasonal adjustments. Frankly, I always forget -- which way does the neck bend in summer (humid) compared to winter (dry) in four season climates, and which way do you correspondingly adjust the neck. I'd like some short, simple saying or instruction that I can save along with shiggity's post.

If I think about it, the way it seems to me is that my oldest acoustic plays fine in the summer, but gets all sorts of fret buzz and notes not sounding in winter. I guess in summer the neck tends to give itself (if you don't adjust it) more relief; whereas in winter, as it dries out, it tends to flatten out and possible even backbow. Still, I'd like someone to put it in proper words for me.

shiggity
August 4th, 2005, 08:37 AM
I set up my guitars 4x a year. Once every season. I live in New England and the climate change is quite drastic.

Do the test to see which way your neck is bowed and that will tell ya whther you need to tighten or loosen the rod.... he hehe hehe, he said ROD.

seekir
August 4th, 2005, 11:31 PM
I've mentioned in other threads that it's not generally a good idea to rely on the truss rod alone to straighten a bowed neck. Though it's never happened to me, this is reputedly a potential way to break or strip truss rods—a serious crisis. I'm a bit surprised that the quoted instructions seem to suggest tightening the truss rod without even detuning a bit, and then go on to say that the adjustment can continue on a tuned guitar till the neck is where you believe it should go. This procedure demands a lot from the truss rod, and if executed on an acoustic with significant neck warp, theoretically could temporarily bring a tuned guitar's string tension up to dangerous top-lifting, bridge-stripping levels. I wouldn't generally make multiple tightening adjustments in one sitting, and prefer to let the neck "settle" for a day before going adding much more tension. I set up a jig and clamp the neck to a straightness perhaps slightly more than I want before tightening a truss rod significantly, and always detune a bit.

shiggity
August 5th, 2005, 05:35 AM
I've mentioned in other threads that it's not generally a good idea to rely on the truss rod alone to straighten a bowed neck. Though it's never happened to me, this is reputedly a potential way to break or strip truss rods—a serious crisis.
What other way is there to straighten a bowed neck?? replacement???
This is what a truss rod is for.

I'm a bit surprised that the quoted instructions seem to suggest tightening the truss rod without even detuning a bit, and then go on to say that the adjustment can continue on a tuned guitar till the neck is where you believe it should go.
Ive been doing my own setups fpr the past 13-15 yrs and I have never had a problem following the above. If your strings are not up to pitch, there is less tension on the neck and you will get a false reading from you neck. You should, however, retune the guitar after each adjustment for the same reasons.

The only problem I've found with adjusteing the rod... ha he hee, he said rod again :D , with the strings up to pitch is that they get in the way of the wrench.

On my acoustic its physically impossible to adjust the rod ... rod :p , with the strings on so when I change my strings I will usually, when its necessary, give it a slight tweak and then restring, play to check for dead notes, loosen and adjust as necessary.

This procedure demands a lot from the truss rod, and if executed on an acoustic with significant neck warp...
This procedure is for fixing a bowed neck, a warped neck is twisted and usually not fixable by this procedure. I would recommend having a pro look at your neck if this is a concern.

...theoretically could temporarily bring a tuned guitar's string tension up to dangerous top-lifting, bridge-stripping levels.
You should never have to turn the truss more than a 1/4 turn, i usually turn the wrench less than an 1/8 turn. This will not change the tension that significally (less than a half step across all strings) If you do have to tighten or loosen your rod... :rolleye: ... :D ... more than this (and you are not familiar with this procedure) bring your guitar to a pro.

seekir
August 5th, 2005, 09:16 PM
Originally posted by shiggityWhat other way is there to straighten a bowed neck?? replacement???

A clamp setup is used to take the curve out before tightening the nut of the truss rod. Truss rods are designed to maintain straightness, but they aren't necessarily ideal for actually moving necks from bent to straight. Aside from potential damage to the truss rod itself inflicted when tightening against significant warpage, I've seen the wood where the truss rod nut and washer seat break free along the grain when excessive demands are placed on the structure by the truss rod on the tiny area of wood where the washer seats. I use a sturdy board with a small block at each end positioned to sit near the nut and the body/neck joint, and a curved/padded block for the back of the neck. The fingerboard blocks are cut to permit the strings to pass through but allow the blocks to directly contact the fingerboard. The arrangement must permit access to the adjustment nut, and may vary for different guitars.

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/4305/clampedguitar3tj.jpghttp://img233.imageshack.us/img233/1157/clampingblocks7di.jpgThe neck block is cut with a "valley" to receive the neck, and the bottom of the block is cut with a slight curve so that the neck will contact a cloth placed in the valley resting flat in the block (the block rolls to meet the neck flat when the clamp is tightened). A small block is cut with grooves to fit the string spacing for each end of the neck.

If your strings are not up to pitch, there is less tension on the neck and you will get a false reading from you neck.

This is basically correct, and the reason why any adjustment should be made in gradual stages, but always against the least resistance possible with the guitar detuned when correcting "up warp" (have a glance at the top illustration you posted shiggity—warpage describes any curvature in wood, "twist" is exactly what you say it is). After clamping a neck with appropriate tools and jigs to the degree of straightness one estimates will be adequate (and truss rod adjustment is always an educated guess) the nut will generally turn with little or no resistance. As stated, a judgement about the adequacy of an adjustment should only be made after retuning, but IMO further adjustment should not usually be made immediately after bringing the guitar to pitch as in the original post unless you're willing to risk the integrity of the instrument. I generally wait a day or so to let the neck "settle" before making another truss rod tension increase.

remember not to force anything. Stop if you are applying a lot of torque, and the neck still isn't going straight. The adjustment should be smooth and easy.

Exactly right IMO. However, if there is significant curvature as might be found in a neglected or stored instrument that hasn't seen the light of day for some time, the adjustment will not be smooth and easy without a clamping jig. Additional factors could be corrosion of the threads of the nut and rod which should be lubricated with light machine oil—fighting a corroded and locked nut can also potentially twist and break a truss rod or strip the nut.

shiggity
August 6th, 2005, 05:01 AM
^^^ I agree, but if you are a novice, this is the sort of thing I would leave to a pro.

warpage describes any curvature in wood, "twist" is exactly what you say it is I may be wrong, lets face it it happens alot, but I was always told the when a neck was "warped" the neck actually twists and if you look down the neck on an angle all the frets would be uneven. A "Bowed" or sometimes "bridged" neck was something that is easily fixed with the above posts (yours and mine) adjustments. lemme see if I can find a pic.

That is an interesting setup seekir, I have never seen anything quite like it. I will definitely remember it next time I need to do some serious straightening (though I hope my guitars never get that far out of whack :D )

SKEETER
August 22nd, 2005, 06:32 PM
I generally adjust a truss rod two or three times, some at a time. I get it close to where I want it, and play the guitar for a few days. I have found that after you adjust the truss the neck can continue to change over a few days. Most often when I set up a guitar I set it up when I get it, and again a week later. Sometimes this is the case, sometimes not, each guitar is different. I have very good fortune with having guitars stay as I put them for a long time. I use mostly Japanese, Korean, and Indonesian guitars and have great experiences with setting them up. They tend to be very stable instruments.

fused
September 5th, 2005, 07:43 AM
Originally posted by shiggity

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A repair guide put out by Guitar Player Magazine actually shows that clamping rig as well as explains more about how to adjust a truss rod.

(Guitar Player Repair Guide by Dan Eriewine)
Page 18 for those that want to know...

The KEY to safe adjustments is to get the pressure off the TR Nut before making an adjustment. You NEVER want to crank on it while the pressure is on.

I watched a guy at GC adjusting the TR on a guitar.... No relief on the TR Nut as all.... He made some statement about not being able to get anything out of it. Good thing too. Cause at the rate he was going, he would of got something out of it....part of the truss rod.

fused

gavb
November 15th, 2005, 07:51 AM
I cranked the hell out of the truss rod on an old cheap high action acoustic, I turned it clock wise about 1 and half complete turns. The action is now spot on, I got a little bit of buzz at the 1st and 2nd frets, so I turned it back a little. Now its freakin great, playable pain free barr chords up to the 10th fret.

I am thinking of tweaking my main acoustic, but its not to painfull to play, plus I like it for slide to. I have already shaved the saddle down a bit.

Its_Me
November 15th, 2005, 08:33 AM
When I had mine set up by a tech he put pressure on the neck after adjusting the rod so that it made a cracking sound (the truss rod moving in the neck i gather) Is this something you should do normally or only in extreme cases?

reakwon
November 15th, 2005, 09:42 AM
i have a little problem with my truss rod..

no matter what i do.. there is no change at all..
i turned it clockwise until there was a little pressure.. then anti-clockwise to relieve it.. put a capo on the 14th fret, and fretted the 1st fret... no change at all.. I'd say there is about 1mm space on the 6th fret and the string.. no matter how much i let the truss relieve..
can it have something to do with having 5 springs on the tremoloblock and having the tremolo all the way on the body ?
so that i have too much pressure on, so that the neck can't bow backwards even if the trussrod is tightend ?

the action is okay for me.. i'm not very picky about action height.. but the problem is, that the high e and b strings sound dump.. i dunno if it's buzzing.. sounds a bit like the strings are palm-muted.. very dark sound and much less loud than all the other 4

Its_Me
November 15th, 2005, 01:59 PM
maybe the rod is sticking to the wood. try bending it over your knee. (get someone else to confirm it first though)

Green Day
January 29th, 2006, 05:33 PM
I found a way to fix my old Decca acoustic! Thank you!