Pretty cool sounding...doable?

[BMG_SKULK]

Think this is possible...or maybe too busy?

Opening little staccato riff...panned to one side....

Then Chords, (E5th...C5th) "support chords" come in...panned to the other side.

Then after a coupla' bars some smokin leads right in the middle of all this.

If this is doable...can someone better than me mix this?

Take a listen if you will...

mp3...600 kb
Gravely Mistaken Just Riff and Chords (http://f1velo-city.com/uploads/SM_STACCATO_RIFF_SIDE_CHORDS.mp3)

The whole idea sketched...except I just stuck a 3 octave E minor tapped run in here.
mp3...600 kb
Sadly Mistaken...Gravely Mistaken..*** ever full opening sketch idea (http://f1velo-city.com/uploads/SM_SKETCH.mp3)

[Smallfrie_Omega]

i really like them.. think u can tab them and then pm it to me? plz?

[PhantomLord]

work it out by ear...it'll make you a better musician ;)

[BMG_SKULK]

work it out by ear...it'll make you a better musician ;)
nO...NO...NO...

Why everytime I post in RECORDING HELP...I get an answer that has nothing to do with anything I am talking about.

I am talking about getting just the right spatial areas for each track.

I'll work that out I guess...might make me a better RECORDING ENGINEER. :p

[BMG_SKULK]

i really like them.. think u can tab them and then pm it to me? plz?
I'll tab this out for you...hate tabbing...sorry.

Tones Testing Mixed (http://f1velo-city.com/uploads/TON.mp3)

Most of the little runs heard here are based on this


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[PhantomLord]

nO...NO...NO...

Why everytime I post in RECORDING HELP...I get an answer that has nothing to do with anything I am talking about.

I am talking about getting just the right spatial areas for each track.

I'll work that out I guess...might make me a better RECORDING ENGINEER. :p
ok ok calm down...

i liked the riffs and chords...it reminded of some early iron maiden, just with a more modern tone...that's a good thing btw ;)

it sounds like the chords and the notes in the main riff were recorded with different settings...i dunno, the tones in each part just sound...different. of course this could just be my young, inexperienced ears talking :)

i didn't really like the lead run in the second part...if you're gonna do some lead over this...just have the backing chords...in a faster rhythm with palm muting or something...not chords, riff, and lead...it gets, how you put it, "too busy"

the panning was good though, however i feel the chords come in too suddenly, and too loudly.

[BMG_SKULK]

I was testing out different settings...about 3...well two..and a change on the pickup selector.

There is no panning on this one.

But I get what you mean...

The staccato middle lick?

That's like this...

I LIKE IT...*shrugs



ok ok calm down...:)

i liked the riffs and chords...it reminded of some early iron maiden, just with a more modern tone...that's a good thing btw ;)

it sounds like the chords and the notes in the main riff were recorded with different settings...i dunno, the tones in each part just sound...different. of course this could just be my young, inexperienced ears talking :)

i didn't really like the lead run in the second part...if you're gonna do some lead over this...just have the backing chords...in a faster rhythm with palm muting or something...not chords, riff, and lead...it gets, how you put it, "too busy"

the panning was good though, however i feel the chords come in too suddenly, and too loudly.

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[BMG_SKULK]

Oh...the Yngwie tone at the last is with the neck pickup and using E Phrygian.


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[Katau]

Right now, your spacing seems to be in only 2 dimensions. The effects usage are blocking that 3rd dimension. Each of the 3 tracks by itself sound good...but that doesn't always mean the same when mixed together.

Depending on how you want it to mix, minimally, you'll need to adjust both the reverb, delay and eq. You can either send the solo away into the distance for the ethedral dark feeling, or bring it up into the face of the listener.

Obviously, the sound you want is in your head, so I can't make suggestions as to how you want it to sound. The lead is having a hard time breaking thru the mix.
Here are a few suggestions:

1) much less reverb and delay (maybe its the slap back on the verb) on the left staccato channel
2) cut some highs on both rhythm channels (help the lead break thru)
3) Wet down the verb on the lead as to how you want it to sound (near vs distant)
4) add a wee-bit more mids and highs if needed on the lead after doing 1,2,3 above

Good luck and good playing.

[Sage]

I gave it a listen -

Compostionally (is that a word?)

The intro riff and the lead scale are too close in tone -- try an octave of either -- it was great until the lead kicked in -- I don't know if this is just a demo and you have more spacing in the original full length.

If you don't want to change the octaves, then try some counterpoint on one or the other. If you're sticking to a major/minor on the solo, then try the rhythym with 6th notes or 7th notes thrown in to make it shift out from the lead and then back in.

I also think it would benefit from some root note some kind -- just a straight bass note sitting on the root would be good to start, it has no anchor.

That might be a good way to seperate the lead from the rythym -- have that good rhythm bring it in, and introduce the bass and the lead at the same time.

Mix-Wise

Try pulling down the high end of the Rhythm, and boosting the high end of the lead scale, that might get you some seperation.

You can also try compressing them a little differently than each other, so that certain notes peak through the rhythm.

I think it's a good riff, not my cupatea, but I'd say you're more than halfway there, you just need to try some tricks to get that separation.

[BMG_SKULK]

Thanks Sage and Katau...have given me something to think about.

I believe I am gong to axe the staccato riff, and just use the chords and the lead stuff...

JFYI...this is a kind of intro before the main drums and the rest kick in.;)

[Katau]

JFYI...this is a kind of intro before the main drums and the rest kick in.;)

Oh...well in that case, keep the staccato, but swap it out when the lead comes in. That staccato riff is a keeper.