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Evildoer
April 10th, 2007, 12:47 PM
When all the guitarists we older guys have loved for so long are not with us
any more? The Dave Gilmours, Jeff Becks, Jimmy Pages, Richie Blackmores, BB King,
Eric Claptons, Carlos Santanas, etc. What happens when their guitars are silenced
by time and mortality? What will you listen to? High-gain, 1000nps *******? Rap?
Will you live in the past, will you become an anochronism? What was the last really great
new song you heard? When music is becoming corporate noise, all vying to be the loudest,
fastest, most distorted common denominator? Will there be some revival of actual music,
or will it continue to degenerate, until no longer recognizable as such? I'm not trying to
start an "new music is teh suXX0r" thread, I'm just trying to come to grips with the
fact that I'm becoming obsolete. I try very hard to write good songs. I put everything
I have into them. Still, they are shadows of the past, just as much as I am. This is just
one way which I'm feeling totally outmoded and alienated these days.

broke_my_strat
April 10th, 2007, 12:59 PM
Its natural. We've already lost hendrix, D allman, and countless others including george harrison :(

Mr. Boston
April 10th, 2007, 01:10 PM
There will be a backlash eventually. It can't happen though until Bob Dylan dies and is reincarnated as a bi-racial songwriter who can also sling a mean axe. If you wanna save music, assassinate Bob Dylan, set his soul free, lol.

But seriously, good music sticks around. Robert Johnson was playing when my grandfather was a young boy. I like Robert Johnson, my Grandfather has never heard of him. Great music will always prevail, and always come back in style eventually.

Evildoer
April 10th, 2007, 01:11 PM
Yup. SRV, Albert King, Syd Barrett, The list of survivors grows shorter each year.

Evildoer
April 10th, 2007, 01:12 PM
There will be a backlash eventually. It can't happen though until Bob Dylan dies and is reincarnated as a bi-racial songwriter who can also sling a mean axe. If you wanna save music, assassinate Bob Dylan, set his soul free, lol.

But seriously, good music sticks around. Robert Johnson was playing when my grandfather was a young boy. I like Robert Johnson, my Grandfather has never heard of him. Great music will always prevail, and always come back in style eventually.

Will he sing better, then?

Ogier
April 10th, 2007, 01:53 PM
This is what recordings are for. :)

spoonbadger
April 10th, 2007, 02:02 PM
yeah,i honestly think that in the next 20 years we are going to lose all of our good guitarists.think about the 60's and 70's and the number of great axe players back then,now think about how many new good guitarists are coming onto the music scene.looks like 10 years from now all the remnants of good music will be gone and we will be left with bollocks justin timberlake r n' b and shite pop-rock bands with one string solos.when mark knopfler dies,all good music will have disappeared-he was the last legendary guitarist on a clapton scale to join the music scene imo.tis a bleak future :(

Johnny3Fingers
April 10th, 2007, 02:04 PM
blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

Ever since being a musician became a (potentially) ludicrously lucrative profession, there's always been the same number of terrible pop bands and actually talented musicians. It's just that none of us remember the crap bands from the 60s and 70s so we forget that they exist.

And honestly, some musicians worshipped as saints aren't much better than the terrible ones today, they're just remembered anyway. Does anyone actually like Lynrd Skynrd?

Zeppelin9725
April 10th, 2007, 02:23 PM
I'll become emo when Clapton, Knopfler, Page, Blackmore, and Gilmour die.

Monkeyboy
April 10th, 2007, 02:27 PM
I think every style of music has it's golden age, which never really gets recaptured. It's been demonstrated well in classical music. There has never been any composers to rival the greats of the classical period. Guys like Mozart, Beethoven and Hayden are still considered the best by most critics, and nobody ever really surpassed them. Classical music evolved, and people stopped composing the same sub-genres that they mastered.

The same thing is happening in rock music. It took centuries for classical music to change and evolve, but with radio and records/cd/mp3's, things now move at lightning speed compared to classical music. Early rock music has evolved into various sub-genres ranging from indie to extreme metal. I think there will always been snippets of early influence to be found, but I really don't think there's going to be another era like the 60's-70's for classic rock. I'm seeing the same thing is happening in metal. The 80's-90's were metal's golden era imo, and with all these nu-metal bands selling well, it seems that the days of great metal are coming to a close. I've got tickets to see Megadeth in June.... it's only a matter of time before bands like them start disappearing.

Personally, I'm sure there will always be music I like. I enjoy pretty much every genre of instrument-based music from light Jazz to technical-death-metal.

f1rocco
April 10th, 2007, 02:29 PM
Is long as Mayer is around Im good............

baudday
April 10th, 2007, 02:30 PM
What was the last really great
new song you heard?

Listen to Sam's Town by the Killers. I think it's a good cd. Same with RHCP cd's

Nameless
April 10th, 2007, 02:31 PM
Uhhh I dunno maybe open my ******* eyes and look at the good artists TODAY??? There are plenty of good musicians around, your just so damn stubborn you think that cause someone plays metal, or wasn't around in the 70s, that they can't be a good guitarist. You know who I'll listen to? I'll listen to Jerry Cantrell, and Alexi Laiho, and Buckethead, and I'll live, ya know why? Cause they know how to play their guitars and they don't charge a hundred bucks for a god damn ticket!

Evildoer
April 10th, 2007, 02:48 PM
Uhhh I dunno maybe open my ******* eyes and look at the good artists TODAY??? There are plenty of good musicians around, your just so damn stubborn you think that cause someone plays metal, or wasn't around in the 70s, that they can't be a good guitarist. You know who I'll listen to? I'll listen to Jerry Cantrell, and Alexi Laiho, and Buckethead, and I'll live, ya know why? Cause they know how to play their guitars and they don't charge a hundred bucks for a god damn ticket!

Well, let's see. 'prolly because I'm not like 15 years old, I can't relate to poeple who
wear a corporate chicken bucket on their head. This ought to be fairly obvious.:rolleye:

spoonbadger
April 10th, 2007, 02:50 PM
johnny,i like skynyrd.i think that all the musicians that passed through skynyrd were brilliant and underrated (not hendrix standard maybe,but still excellent players) and why would someone listen to skynyrd if they didnt like them?and why would we even know who they were if no-one listened :)
and yes,there were a lot of crap bands in the 60's and 70's etc as well as good bands and artists but the ratio of good:bad back then was much more favorable than it is today.just listen to the radio for an hour and try and pick out 3 good songs.not great songs,just good songs.
and nameless is right,there are good bands around today,but not many of them are actually recognized because the charts and radio stations are clogged with bollocks.

unclenuts
April 10th, 2007, 02:56 PM
I'll be fine...We got guys like John Mayer, Kenny Wayne Shepard, and Derek trucks.

And good ole' Yngwie will be around a lot longer. It's actually quite impressive how many good guitarists are coming out of the woodworks, in popular music. Being a decent guitarist seems to be coming back as the "cool" thing.

I second Buckethead, btw, Nameless. Great player.

Sexymonkey
April 10th, 2007, 02:57 PM
We all know to find good bands... we have to look locally, good music just doesn't seem to be mainstream...
What's funny is... when a good band goes mainstream they call 'em sellouts and no one'll buy their CD's.

Oh, the irony.

RHJohnson
April 10th, 2007, 03:07 PM
Well John Fruciente has about 40 more years. And John Mayor probably has more then that. O and Kieth Richards will never die so theres always him.

SublimeFan44
April 10th, 2007, 03:21 PM
...Theres plenty of good music still around. Music doesn't just die out or become crappy because a certain era has passed. I love classic rock, but theres tons of stuff around today that is just as good. As for the last wave of great guitarists passing, I listen to their recordings of course but I wouldn't see most of them live, because like Nameless said, the majority of them charge too much for a ticket anyway.

fishtaco
April 10th, 2007, 03:26 PM
We can have a jam session seance to channel all the spirits of the great guitarists. Then we'll trap them in a bottle and make them write more music.

Or alternately just move with the times. If you put enough effort, you can sift through all the crap and find good stuff no matter the genre. Also I think right now because of current and recent past trends, jaw-dropping guitar skillz isn't really necessary, like grunge and now nu-metal type stuff. Which if you look at music from a listener's perspective, a good song doesn't really require spectacular guitar work. Just that at JS we're all into guitars so we tend to focus on that more.

But I think it's coming back. A7X have some skillz (although I can't get into their music), and Children of Bodom also. Sure you can argue they're not Hendrix or Rhodes or Dimebag, but I think they're the beginning of a new trend where fancy guitar work is part of the required formula for a successful band. Once that trend sets in, every band will be looking for and trying to feature some super guitarists. Then you'll have all these youngsters busting their butts trying to stand out and be the next guitar god.

spoonbadger
April 10th, 2007, 03:26 PM
Well John Fruciente has about 40 more years. And John Mayor probably has more then that. O and Kieth Richards will never die so theres always him.

yeah,i think thats been proven after the guy spent decades snorting everything in powder form,pulling a superman out of a palm tree,sniffing up some 100% pure Columbian father and still looking the exact same as he did in the 80s :rotf:

yeah,there are some good guitarists out there at the moment like john fruciente but they are becoming rarer and rarer with every crappy pop-rock band that comes out.most chart bands just seem to be resorting to generic chord progressions and boring instumental parts.

Zappa
April 10th, 2007, 03:27 PM
good music never dies.
i will always have my zappa catalogue. my beatles catalogue. etc etc.
i'm good to go on music for the rest of my life....of course i want to keep getting new things but if i can't, i have thousands and thousands of songs. songs i have not even listened to yet.

zeppelin, hendrix, floyd, sabbath, etc....it's always going to be here

Acoustic
April 10th, 2007, 03:44 PM
Well like zappa said, good music never dies. I mean, I'm not an "old guy" who has been around and saw these guys when they were growing and all that. But I have learned to like stuff from them. Dead of Alive these guys are great. They sure as hell set the standards for Rock and Roll. Of course there will be more and more of them sometime in the future. I personally hope then when I become 40 I don't have to listen to people remenece about 50 cent and eminem. But who knows. New music will come sometime.

Also as others have said John Mayers here, Derek Trucks. There are a lot of people infuenced by these great musicians to come out with stuff now. We will have music no matter what.

Acoustic
April 10th, 2007, 03:47 PM
Uhhh I dunno maybe open my ******* eyes and look at the good artists TODAY??? There are plenty of good musicians around, your just so damn stubborn you think that cause someone plays metal, or wasn't around in the 70s, that they can't be a good guitarist. You know who I'll listen to? I'll listen to Jerry Cantrell, and Alexi Laiho, and Buckethead, and I'll live, ya know why? Cause they know how to play their guitars and they don't charge a hundred bucks for a god damn ticket!

It has nothing to do with when they play. I think John Mayer and Derek Trucks are awsome guitarists. They are right up there with Hendrix and them on my list of music I like. Age doesn't mean skill to me. These guys like Buckethead anger me. They really aren't that good imo. They are annoying and I can't stand hearing them. I mean this is like saying Green Day has a good guitarist. No...they appeal to their audience, thats about it.

Personally I think the only person being stubbern is you. You act as if people have never given them a chance. I listen to buckethead with an open mind and open ears. Just does nothing for me. And I'm sure I'm not alone in the world with this.

MilkMan12
April 10th, 2007, 04:09 PM
personally I think the future is in jazz and funk music. Before I was like you, always pondering what I will do when the jeff becks, and gilmours die soon. But then recently I discovered a handful and young guitarists that are absolutely phenomenal. They play their hearts out, they don't **** like most shredders do. True heart and true talent. I discovered that all of them were funk and jazz musicians. Guys like Galactic, Soulive, Gnappy, and Victor Wooten will soon take over. The guitarists for those bands are just unreal. Great in every way, from tone to playing. I think people are starting to enjoy the laid back care free style of funk and jazz...where its not about politics or starving children, or rape, or love...its just about having fun and groovin.

So there is hope, because I see new funky and jazzy bands like those pope up all over the place. They are becoming increasingly popular. It is all a matter of finding the right places to look for them.

For guys in LA its the Jazz Bakery and I am sure every major city has its own venue that supports new and coming musicians.

RHJohnson
April 10th, 2007, 04:15 PM
It has nothing to do with when they play. I think John Mayer and Derek Trucks are awsome guitarists. They are right up there with Hendrix and them on my list of music I like. Age doesn't mean skill to me. These guys like Buckethead anger me. They really aren't that good imo. They are annoying and I can't stand hearing them. I mean this is like saying Green Day has a good guitarist. No...they appeal to their audience, thats about it.

Personally I think the only person being stubbern is you. You act as if people have never given them a chance. I listen to buckethead with an open mind and open ears. Just does nothing for me. And I'm sure I'm not alone in the world with this.
+1...(Ducks under my desk and looks around for an angry metal fan):angry12:
Its not like I dont think he is a talented guitarist, I mean he does have quick hands but most people cant stand it.

RHJohnson
April 10th, 2007, 04:16 PM
personally I think the future is in jazz and funk music. Before I was like you, always pondering what I will do when the jeff becks, and gilmours die soon. But then recently I discovered a handful and young guitarists that are absolutely phenomenal. They play their hearts out, they don't **** like most shredders do. True heart and true talent. I discovered that all of them were funk and jazz musicians. Guys like Galactic, Soulive, Gnappy, and Victor Wooten will soon take over. The guitarists for those bands are just unreal. Great in every way, from tone to playing. I think people are starting to enjoy the laid back care free style of funk and jazz...where its not about politics or starving children, or rape, or love...its just about having fun and groovin.

So there is hope, because I see new funky and jazzy bands like those pope up all over the place. They are becoming increasingly popular. It is all a matter of finding the right places to look for them.

For guys in LA its the Jazz Bakery and I am sure every major city has its own venue that supports new and coming musicians.
Plus 1 again. You named some great bands there.

Johnny3Fingers
April 10th, 2007, 04:21 PM
I think the relative drought of decent pop music has to do with the state of pop in the 90s. Elvis and The Beatles were pop music in the 50s and 60s, and the kids who listened to them (Paul was an Elvis fan, for what it's worth) became the superb guitarists of the 70s and 80s (I use "superb guitarists" loosely when referring to the 80s because a lot of music in the 80s sucked too).

We're still living through the crappy guitarists that grew up in the grunge era, when pop bands got the idea that they didn't need to know how to play well to make good music. There's actually a lot of superb guitarists coming out of countries that didn't go through the grunge era, because they grew up listening to the superb guitarists of the earlier decades.

Johnny3Fingers
April 10th, 2007, 04:23 PM
johnny,i like skynyrd.i think that all the musicians that passed through skynyrd were brilliant and underrated (not hendrix standard maybe,but still excellent players) and why would someone listen to skynyrd if they didnt like them?and why would we even know who they were if no-one listened :).

I'm not saying that you can't like and enjoy Skynyrd. I guess what I'm trying to say is, **** you ******** for writing freebird.

Nameless
April 10th, 2007, 04:36 PM
It has nothing to do with when they play. I think John Mayer and Derek Trucks are awsome guitarists. They are right up there with Hendrix and them on my list of music I like. Age doesn't mean skill to me. These guys like Buckethead anger me. They really aren't that good imo. They are annoying and I can't stand hearing them. I mean this is like saying Green Day has a good guitarist. No...they appeal to their audience, thats about it.

Personally I think the only person being stubbern is you. You act as if people have never given them a chance. I listen to buckethead with an open mind and open ears. Just does nothing for me. And I'm sure I'm not alone in the world with this.

I don't know why you even brought greenday into this mess, the guitar is really just an accesory in greenday's music. And this isn't even a ******* buckethead arguement, its just a newer music arguement! I have accepted that you ******** will never really listen to buckethead and just pass him off as a one trick pony shredder, I'm saying that there are new talented guitarists! And no, I've never been stubbern in my life. EVER. I have been quite stubborn though.

BOZ
April 10th, 2007, 04:39 PM
Not everyone is a gnat note arpeggio clown. There will always be great players.

I would bet my life on it.

I'm afraid I'm a clown though.

Acoustic
April 10th, 2007, 04:42 PM
I don't know why you even brought greenday into this mess, the guitar is really just an accesory in greenday's music. And this isn't even a ******* buckethead arguement, its just a newer music arguement! I have accepted that you ******** will never really listen to buckethead and just pass him off as a one trick pony shredder, I'm saying that there are new talented guitarists! And no, I've never been stubbern in my life. EVER. I have been quite stubborn though.

Well you coming out and saying "open your eyes and stoping being stubborn" "Listen to buckethead" all that...it fits into the argument of new musicians. And id sure sounds to me like you are being stubborn. I brought Greenday up becuase they are as well more modern music. And they are classified under some rock/punk category. I am not making a point that I dislike the man who wears a kfc bucket on his head. I supose you just didn't read past your stubborness. My point was that I, as well as others, do listen to these modern "guitarists" with open ears looking for someone new to support. And mostly find these guys as lame. The point was that no one is being a "stubborn ******" and seeing through blinders.

Just stateing my opinion as well. Nothing against you or anything. It's just when you call everyone stubborn becuase they dislike your music....it just vibes me to chime my voice. Ya know?

EKrim
April 10th, 2007, 04:47 PM
by then it wont matter, the government will force techno upon us at a brisk, work-encouraging pace.

Evildoer
April 10th, 2007, 04:53 PM
by then it wont matter, the government will force techno upon us at a brisk, work-encouraging pace.

They will then throw all the good old music down the memory hole. Doubleplusungood!:mad:

BOZ
April 10th, 2007, 05:06 PM
I feel mastery in inevitable for anyone that simply keeps doing it.

Nowadays the first things people usualy master is speed besause it's the easiest thing to master, then comes phrasing. As long as these modern guitar players push themselves to keep reaching and not be satisfied with the fancy cars and fancy women there is going to be great things to come and some are already doin it.

Ttone
April 10th, 2007, 05:58 PM
I try and keep an open mind towards music. I like just about anything. Imo Tool was one of the last great rock bands, kind of like a new Pink Floyd. I never liked them when they were fresh out for closed minded reasons. I used to play in a band with Danny Carey's (drummer for Tool) little brother before Tool was signed. All he did was talk about Danny this and Danny that then one day he brought Opiate over and I thought this sucks! I even told a freind "these guys will NEVER make it" I was all about Metal back then and was angry with all the changes in the music at the time that was killing Metal, Grunge in particular (now I am cool with Grunge) and Tool just didn't sit right with me not to mention the fallout between me and Danny's brother. So for years I just had a closed mind about Tool and never liked them. Then a few years back this kid at work gave me Undertow and ever since then they have been one of my favorite bands. I feel like an idiot now, I am supposed to be a musician and base my opinions on the music and nothing else. I also feel like an idiot for not kissing Danny's brothers ***, I see him around now and then and we just turn our heads.

But at the same time I think the quality of music has gone down. It seems like when you buy an album it only has one or two good songs on it or all the songs and bands sound the same, however just cause I don't like it doesn't mean it's not good music, maybe I just cant grasp it like my grandparents could not grasp the Beatles.

I do worry though that one day guitar will become obsolete just like much of the craftsmanship in trades has been lost. We will go from being "cool" to just weird.

unclenuts
April 10th, 2007, 06:01 PM
I feel mastery in inevitable for anyone that simply keeps doing it.

Nowadays the first things people usualy master is speed besause it's the easiest thing to master, then comes phrasing. As long as these modern guitar players push themselves to keep reaching and not be satisfied with the fancy cars and fancy women there is going to be great things to come and some are already doin it.

I wish speed were the easiest thing to master. :rotf:

SublimeFan44
April 10th, 2007, 06:25 PM
The quality of music hasn't gone down, we just don't care about the money making pop acts of years past, and just remember the truly great artists. For every great band like Zeppelin, or great guitarist like Freddy King or Gary Moore, there was a poppy money making act similar to todays music.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that music doesn't get progressively worse or better. It changes, but that's just part of the evolution of it all. There are still amazing guitarists out there, just as many as in years past. They just may be getting recognized so just give it some time.

BOZ
April 10th, 2007, 06:35 PM
I wish speed were the easiest thing to master. :rotf:


I was just thinking back to the good old high school days when all my friends and I were doing all the Malmstien cover stuff when it was popular. Hell everyone back then was ripping arpeggios and burning up the neck before anyone could improvise anything worthwhile.

I know I for one spent way too much time with a metronome instead of a decent backing track.

brihead301
April 10th, 2007, 06:57 PM
Well, There's always me.......

Evildoer
April 10th, 2007, 07:05 PM
I feel mastery in inevitable for anyone that simply keeps doing it.

Nowadays the first things people usualy master is speed besause it's the easiest thing to master, then comes phrasing. As long as these modern guitar players push themselves to keep reaching and not be satisfied with the fancy cars and fancy women there is going to be great things to come and some are already doin it.

In a way that's comforting, and yet discouraging. I really care nothing about speed. All
the players I love didn't play very fast, instead they created an atmosphere, a vibe. I guess
that's harder to do. I try to write songs that do this, but I've largely failed so far. I'll keep
trying, maybe eventually something will click. I'm too old to ever have any impact on the
future of music, but just maybe I can create something somebody will remember.

Evildoer
April 10th, 2007, 07:14 PM
Well, There's always me.......

Sorry, I'm always dubious about self-styled saviours. You'd best be be pretty great to
try on that mantle. No offense intended, of course.:)

Nameless
April 10th, 2007, 07:15 PM
Well you coming out and saying "open your eyes and stoping being stubborn" "Listen to buckethead" all that...it fits into the argument of new musicians. And id sure sounds to me like you are being stubborn. I brought Greenday up becuase they are as well more modern music. And they are classified under some rock/punk category. I am not making a point that I dislike the man who wears a kfc bucket on his head. I supose you just didn't read past your stubborness. My point was that I, as well as others, do listen to these modern "guitarists" with open ears looking for someone new to support. And mostly find these guys as lame. The point was that no one is being a "stubborn ******" and seeing through blinders.

Just stateing my opinion as well. Nothing against you or anything. It's just when you call everyone stubborn becuase they dislike your music....it just vibes me to chime my voice. Ya know?
not just my music, modern music in general. lol one of these threads is gonna get me banned :rotf:

Acoustic
April 10th, 2007, 07:17 PM
not just my music, modern music in general. lol one of these threads is gonna get me banned :rotf:

Well my point was more based around modern music....weather you listen to it or not.

unclenuts
April 10th, 2007, 08:03 PM
In a way that's comforting, and yet discouraging. I really care nothing about speed. All
the players I love didn't play very fast, instead they created an atmosphere, a vibe. I guess
that's harder to do. I try to write songs that do this, but I've largely failed so far. I'll keep
trying, maybe eventually something will click. I'm too old to ever have any impact on the
future of music, but just maybe I can create something somebody will remember.

I disagree. Every good guitarist I like, who plays fast, creates an equally effective atmosphere (if not better) than the guys you dig (who I also dig, for the record). Speed is a tool, and every musician should learn how to utilize it. I feel people who appreciate the old greats get too caught up in thinking slow=better, fast=bad. It's all relative, and all important in music, as anything that adds effect has its place.

"Black Star" gives me chills everytime I listen to it, and Yngwie rips like a madman in that tune.

Acoustic
April 10th, 2007, 08:08 PM
In a way that's comforting, and yet discouraging. I really care nothing about speed. All
the players I love didn't play very fast, instead they created an atmosphere, a vibe. I guess
that's harder to do. I try to write songs that do this, but I've largely failed so far. I'll keep
trying, maybe eventually something will click. I'm too old to ever have any impact on the
future of music, but just maybe I can create something somebody will remember.

I agree man. I also feel the same way. There's speed, sure. But makeing a song and a solo fit perfect is what matters. There's other things beside speed :p

mmm
April 10th, 2007, 08:31 PM
FEAR NOT- Just think back to 1990... the future looked grim... and then nirvana came along... i have faith there's going to be a music revolution coming soon.
as a matter of fact - look back to 1959... and then came the beatles (post 50's)... to 1969 and then came zeppelin... to 1989 and then came nirvana... to 2007.. and then came....
well, we'll just see then won't we...

hey- what about Metallica?? that's some pretty good filler between 89 and 07... wouldn't you say??

what say you people on those ideas? just when music gets really stale- that's when revolution is born...

I HAVE FAITH IN MUSIC... (gwen stefani and pussycat dolls may be making money, but are there people out there who actually consider them MUSIC? they're entertainment - don't be fooled.)

unclenuts
April 10th, 2007, 08:34 PM
Gwen stefani is actually pretty hip. She can yoodle.

mmm
April 10th, 2007, 08:45 PM
she can yodle. you're right ... but i'd rather shoot myself in the face than listen to pussycat dolls.... lol...

Johnny3Fingers
April 10th, 2007, 09:13 PM
FEAR NOT- Just think back to 1990... the future looked grim... and then nirvana came along...

that's not a good thing.

Does anyone remember The Monkeys? Exactly. Think of modern music as if this were the mid-60s. There's a handful of amazing bands running around (The Beatles), a couple of has-beens (Elvis), the crap bands copying both of them (The Monkeys), and a few amazing talents that haven't broken out yet (Hendrix).

Hypnotronic
April 10th, 2007, 09:30 PM
I agree man. I also feel the same way. There's speed, sure. But makeing a song and a solo fit perfect is what matters. There's other things beside speed :p

Hey Acoustic, I know you got this whole anti-Buckethead thing going on, and the whole speed=not musical for some reason, and I know everybody has their own opinion of what sounds good to them. You say you've listened to Buckethead stuff, and it just didn't do it for you, too fast or too loud or whatever, I assume most of what you've heard was on Youtube clips. But what I want to know is, have you listened to his album titled "Colma"? I'm not trying to change your mind about him, because for the most part he is a blazing fast shredder, which is not what you're about, apparently. But I think you would really dig the "Colma" album, because its all acoustic, and very slow, with the focus on melody and not speed. Its a very relaxing album, I listen to it all the time at work, I even got this old dude I work with (who enjoys listening to Baroque music played on bassoons and oboes) to comment on it. He asked me who it was, so I told him it was Buckethead, then I had to explain the whole bucket of chicken on his head thing, which he thought was strange, but he really liked the music. If you haven't heard this album, I suggest that you aquire yourself a copy of it, legally or downloaded, just give it a chance. And then, if you like that one, check out "Electric Tears", which is even slower, with nothing but guitars, no drums at all. It's a good album to fall asleep to, which is a good thing.

ZampraZ
April 10th, 2007, 09:37 PM
Yeah but there will be new ones

Raycing
April 10th, 2007, 10:56 PM
If the classic rock guitarists that we all know and love are as good as we think they are, then their music will survive, in this media age there are more copies of songs on more formats than could ever have been imagined 15 years ago.
We all know of :
J.S.Bach ..........1685-1750
W.A.Mozart ......1756-1791
L.V.Beethoven...1770-1809
They were good and their music survived, if our guitar heroes don't they maybe they're not as good as we think they are!. Hey I'm just being realistic.

Semi-Hollowbody
April 11th, 2007, 05:09 AM
Its happening fast aint it?
Half the beatles are gone (the good half???)
half the who are gone
Aerosmith should stop making new misuc so we can worry about them

I guess when all the 60-70's era icons are gone we start mourning the loss of our 80's and 90's icons...CC Deville and James Hetfield for example!

ozzyman
April 11th, 2007, 05:51 AM
FEAR NOT- Just think back to 1990... the future looked grim... and then nirvana came along... i have faith there's going to be a music revolution coming soon.
as a matter of fact - look back to 1959... and then came the beatles (post 50's)... to 1969 and then came zeppelin... to 1989 and then came nirvana... to 2007.. and then came....
well, we'll just see then won't we...

hey- what about Metallica?? that's some pretty good filler between 89 and 07... wouldn't you say??

what say you people on those ideas? just when music gets really stale- that's when revolution is born...

I HAVE FAITH IN MUSIC... (gwen stefani and pussycat dolls may be making money, but are there people out there who actually consider them MUSIC? they're entertainment - don't be fooled.)
I agree i think there alot good upcoming bands now..atleast ones that i think are really good.

brihead301
April 11th, 2007, 05:56 AM
Sorry, I'm always dubious about self-styled saviours. You'd best be be pretty great to
try on that mantle. No offense intended, of course.:)

:rotf: Just joking, I figured someone else would have said it before I did, but they didn't, so I stepped up to the plate :) .

Priesty
April 11th, 2007, 05:57 AM
Is long as Mayer is around Im good............

Yeah, I saw him live the other night...he's definitely going to be in the next generation of "legends"

Hobolad
April 11th, 2007, 06:02 AM
I'm personally gonna root for Devendra Banhart. The dude's first album was recorded on an answering machine! He's a legend already.

ozzyman
April 11th, 2007, 06:02 AM
I disagree. Every good guitarist I like, who plays fast, creates an equally effective atmosphere (if not better) than the guys you dig (who I also dig, for the record). Speed is a tool, and every musician should learn how to utilize it. I feel people who appreciate the old greats get too caught up in thinking slow=better, fast=bad. It's all relative, and all important in music, as anything that adds effect has its place.

"Black Star" gives me chills everytime I listen to it, and Yngwie rips like a madman in that tune.

I agree..Black Star has an awsome feel to it...i just got John 5's cd and he does some really fast licks that give me the chills:006:

Frethead
April 11th, 2007, 06:16 AM
your a bunch of pessimists, theres plenty of music around that still has that classic feel to it if you want new groups making that sort of thing but you have to let music advance just like everything else, theres never gonna be another robert johnson, bb king, hendrix, clapton or SRV. you have to look to the future and find that sort of feeling in other music, you cant just sit around hoping for the next King of the Blues to just come outta the woodwork you have to find new things which give you the same sorta feeling you got when listening to these greats.... its not like these old guys are really making anything more these days, if they were all dead now people would probably listen to them just as much, look at hendrix.. the guys been dead for 30 years and hes still extremely popular among all guitarists... great music does live on forever but you still have to move one, you cant live in the past


p.s. so if this rant seems a bit harsh or anything, just my opinion