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caegh
July 26th, 2001, 04:33 PM
One of the first gigs we played was at a moderately popular nightclub in Washington D.C. (it's called the Velvet Lounge, it's part of the U. street club circuit).
We'd been recording for a while, and putting on some shows, but not too much. We weren't really comfortable looking for any serious shows (honestly, we just weren't ready), but the event promoter heard some recordings and contacted me. I was kind of nervous about the whole thing, but the old ego got in the way there (it's damn hard to say no to someone who just paid you a compliment like that, to say nothing of the idea of playing a cool venue like that so early on). We ended up taking the show on two weeks notice (yes, cringe). We practiced like hell and had a pretty good set lined up (short, but tight).
The big night comes and we pack up and head for D.C. I was nervous (everyone else in the band has had varying levels of performance experience, but this was basically my first time on a real stage in front of people I didn't know) but confident... We'd sounded really good practicing, and I was feeling good about the whole thing. We got there right on time to set up, an hour before they started the show (1 hour recorded dance music, one live set, 1 more hour of recorded music) and that's when things started going to hell.
The sound guy (the house was supposed to run sound, plus we didn't have anyone) wasn't there. He didn't show up until well after the music was playing, so we didn't get a sound check (!!).
We set everything up while people were dancing, and I kept having to argue with the sound guy (who was drunk, which was even better) about how things should be run. He was pretty used to running a couple of vocal mics through the PA and maybe the keys. We had some decent amps (a Marshall, a mesa boogie bass amp, and some other guitar amp I don't remember- all borrowed) but I wanted to mic all of them and run everything through the pa, for a couple of reasons.
Also, I had my own mixer there because I was running my mic (a little nicer then the Shures they had) through a FX processor, my keyboard, and a computer (for a drum sequencer, and some synth stuff) into that so I could control that part of the mix from stage. He ended up talking me into not mic'ing the big amps (just the smaller guitar amp). I was pretty nervous by then, and I just figured he'd be right because he had the experience... I didn't really think about it as much as I should have. As you can imagine, everything sounded terrible. The stage was fairly small, and enclosed. All we could hear were the two large amps. No vocals, no keys, no drums! The monitors just couldn't compete. I can't even guess what the audience could and couldn't hear.
We had a tune we play for a sound check, and even during that, it was pretty obvious things weren't right but I just panicked (believe me, I feel like an *** now for not just stopping for a few minutes and trying to fix everything) and kept on going. I did get off stage in between a couple of songs to talk to the sound dude, but it was already too late. With out going too much in the dismal details, we pretty much bombed our way through most of the set as best we could and then went home. I found out later it was the largest turnout they'd had yet for that particular event because it was the promoters birthday party and they'd hyped us up a whole lot. Basically, we got to suck in front of a whole bunch of people.
The moral of the story for me is that outside events (and inexperience) *****ed us, but it was entirely our fault for not being ready to handle that kind of thing.
The only up side I see to the whole thing is that I imagine I learned more from that gig then I would have from 10 pleasant ones. There's nothing like public humiliation to engrave a lesson in your mind. http://www.zentao.com/ubb/smilies/smile.gif

StoneDragon
July 26th, 2001, 08:44 PM
There's nothing like sucking in front of a large audience to make a man out of you.

But keep in mind... however bad you think you were, the audience probably only heard it half that bad. Same thing goes for those nights you think the stars are shining on you.

Guildman
July 27th, 2001, 08:43 AM
Like Stone said,...it might not have been as bad out in the audience,...besides, take this and turn it into a positive thing and don't let someone/anyone (sound guy or whoever) talk you into something you're not comfortable with the next time!

Bounce back better than before! http://www.zentao.com/ubb/smilies/smile.gif

Guildman.

Sixstring
July 27th, 2001, 12:43 PM
Ouch- that sounds like it was painful!

I've had nights like that too. And it's usually drunk,obnoxious people who like play the role rather than perform the role of sound tech that really screw things up.

Sounds like you learned a valuable lesson, though. Better luck in the future. Do you have any stuff online available for download?

ghodaddyyo
July 27th, 2001, 05:43 PM
Man that sucks! Almost all soundmen are tough to deal with until you get to know them after awhile. I used to play the Bank in Baltimore and got to know the soundman pretty well. Buying them drinks and kicking over some bucks will help as well. If you ever play in Fells Point in Baltimore, make sure the bar even has a PA system! I had to play one that didn't! Funny thing was, the band that came on before us (whom we never met before) left before they could get paid. Being the nice lads we were, decided we'd be glad to "hold" the money for them!

Jag
July 31st, 2001, 11:00 AM
I don't even have a band....

Jagstang666
August 19th, 2001, 05:55 PM
lol my band and i played in front of our school once, and our former guitarist who we threw out messed us up 4 times in the song we were playing, and he messed it up bad enough that people knew, and we had to start it again, everytime. . .

moongoose29
August 4th, 2005, 05:53 AM
I feel your pain I did a show in a small bar not too far from home and the people were all drunk and obnoxious they kept screaming for Skynard I can play some but it was not on my list and it had not been practiced a drunk hit another guitarist I was playing with with a beer bottle the kid has never picked his axe up again I finished the show by myself not playing skynard this ****** the drunks off even more so I ended with Manson they hated it I told the one drunk beer bottle thrower if he could put on a better show to be my guest.

ACDCurrent
August 10th, 2005, 04:01 PM
I told the one drunk beer bottle thrower if he could put on a better show to be my guest.


u can always do that haha

DLR Guitars
August 12th, 2005, 02:23 AM
I hear ya, but, just learn from your mistakes. And you know what? At least you stuck it out up there. And just remember. Ladies like a guy that can sling a guitar, and guys wish that they could be up there playing in a band.

MeltDownZ
October 24th, 2005, 01:57 PM
Now you know why I tell people playing live is freakin' hard!

I play live shows twice a week in every type of venue from Universal Studios, small arenas, to small clubs. At this point, we can pretty much kick it at any venue WITH NO SOUND CHECK! But, it takes time to develop this skill. Here are some pointers:

- Adjust the lead singers mic so it is as hot as possible without feeding back. You usually don't even need to say anything in it. At most, a quick "Shh" will give you an idea if its right. Vocal mics should be
HIGHS: 65% MIDS 40% LOWS 55%

- Tell the sound guy to adjust all the other vocal mics the same as the lead singers with just a touch less volume to prevent feedback. This saves A LOT of time.

- Set monitor vols the same as the Mains and just turn the Monitor Master up or down to max the vol just below feeding back.

- All instrument mics should be at 40%.

- Guitar eq should be
HIGHS: 45% MIDS 65% LOWS 45%

- Do not spend forever sound checking the drums
Bass Drum VOL 60% HIGHS: 45% MIDS 55% LOWS 75%
Snare Drum VOL 40% HIGHS: 45% MIDS 55% LOWS 45%
Other Drums VOL 50% HIGHS: 50% MIDS 50% LOWS 50%

TIME IS NOT YOUR FRIEND DURING SOUND CHECK. Using basic guidelines to get you close before you start is critical. Than, just let the sound guy tweak once you get started. If you turn your preshow into an extended sound check excecise than you're going to be all stressed and run out of time. Type up this guidelines and hand them to the sound guy. It makes his job a whole lot easier.

SKILL - The bands main focus during the first minute of playing should be to LISTEN TO THE STAGE AND ACCOMIDATE THE SOUND OF THE ROOM. If it it so loud you can't hear the monitors, quickly signal for everyone to turn down. Let the sound guy respond and adjust the front of house. If you can't hear, everyone needs to turn up. Having the band all communicating at the beginning is a critical skill. I usually start a show with a song that's got somewhat of a jam so that we have the flexibility to adjust the sound vs. being stuck to the mic. At this point, a quick glance to my band mates and we're dialed in in less than 30 seconds and that is at any kind of venue: outside or inside.

Don't worry, these are skills you pick up as you become more experienced. My early shows had brutally long sound checks that were stressful and resulted in less than optimal results. Things often sounded terrible. These days, I tell the sound guy, "We're going to be the easiest band you ever ran sound for. Just set it up like this and we're good." We only do a soundcheck if the sound guy insists on it.

Master_Rebkee
October 24th, 2005, 05:42 PM
I feel you about the drunk sound guy. He was one of the many reasons I quit the band I was in. The drunker he got, the lower he turned my guitar and the louder he turned up everything else. It got so bad at one point I quit playing during the other guitarists solo and you could not even tell it lol. It was horrible.

im_broke213
October 24th, 2005, 06:52 PM
hey meltdown thats some great advice! thanks

MeltDownZ
October 25th, 2005, 11:12 AM
I feel you about the drunk sound guy. He was one of the many reasons I quit the band I was in. The drunker he got, the lower he turned my guitar and the louder he turned up everything else. It got so bad at one point I quit playing during the other guitarists solo and you could not even tell it lol. It was horrible.

This is the reason I refuse to go on stage with anything less than a beefy tube amp. Sometimes you just need to say "F... the sound guy" and crank your amp :_devil:

Want to really f... with the sound guy? If you're the vocalist and you think the vocs are too low (people will usually give you this urgent look). Stop after your first song and say, "It's great to be here, can you all hear me ok?" They audience will happily chime in if there's a problem. Than, with the soundguy now on the spot you can say, "Mr. soundman can you crank this mic a bit?" The audience actually responds well to you taking control of your show like that. It makes you seem very comfortable on stage. You can finish up with some good will by saying, "That's John running sound for us tonight he always takes good care of us here at XYZ bar which is one of the reasons we love playing here." It's all BS but it get's the soundguy on your side as well as getting your sound staightened out right up front. Even a drunk soundguy can't turn down a little spotlight :)

SKEETER
November 3rd, 2005, 08:12 PM
There's nothing like sucking in front of a large audience to make a man out of you.

But keep in mind... however bad you think you were, the audience probably only heard it half that bad. Same thing goes for those nights you think the stars are shining on you.

Never a truer word spoken. Get used to it, playing in bars goes hand in hand with playing in less than ideal situations. I have been playing for years, and you have as many bad gigs as good sometimes, it is all still worth it. And, remember this, live bands are not perfect, and unless you have the Stones sound truck sitting in the alley, it is not forever indellibly inscribed on stone tablets. You are not likely to ever sound just like the CD on a live gig. And you shouldn't that isn't the point. The point is to get people to feel good and shake their asses. They really normally are not paying that close attention to whether or not the guitar player is hitting every note right on.
MAN, I still blow so many notes onstage. Noone notices, even musician friends of mine come up to me and say " DUDE THAT WAS FLAWLESS!" . I don't even shake my head at them when they do that anymore. And I hit some real clangers, trust me.
Matter of fact, the band members sometimes miss vocal cues or screw up words laughing at someone elses clanger..................