they hate me :(

[aaronlewis]

I was on stage for the first time last night, I played a few songs I wrote and a couple favorites. It was awesome! Everyone seemed to love us. But then theres the few envious jerks that come up to to tell you that you suck after the concert. Its like they don't even care that we practice all day all night to do something special. All your hard work will never matter to some of these people, you just have to be proud of yourself. sigh* well I guess this is drama huh?

[Jagstang666]

Those are usually the people who don't have an ounce of talent in them and couldn't get up on stage and do it themselves so they bring down others to make themselves feel good. Don't let it get to you.

[Tingly]

It sounds like you hit it on the head when you called them "envious jerks."

No worthy critic would ever say, "You suck!" to your face. Sarcastic wiseasses who use such "fighting words" always have a credibility problem. If an intelligent, experienced listener (with manners) didn't think you were any good, he or she would supply fair, constructive criticism.

It really sounds like they were experiencing a common emotion among wannabes: j e a l o u s y.

And, of course, a certain immature segment of the population will always think they appear "cool" by putting down the efforts of others.

[Jagstang666]

My bands got a show on the 17th, and I know there's gonna be kids like that there because they're into hardcore bands and the hardcore kids travel in packs around here lol. They have no appreciation for the bands who are actually good around here, and 95% of the hardcore bands around here suck lol. It's just funny how they can't speak their mind if they think that a band is good, but instead, they bring them down. So screw people like that.

[fear_of_the_dark]

i always get the rap gangstas going rock music isnt cool... listen to my phat beats.... its harder to ryhme then to play a solo on a guitar...

how gay is that... wow i can talk really fast using ridiculously loose rhyming words with changed tone to fit retrofitted with an old rock song that has been DJ'd up

rap blows

[drumstix128@aol.com]

(not spam) read a book called A Cold Heart by jonathon kellerman. its about this guy whose sort of an "artist" but he sucks so bad, he starts killing other artists. its even got some guitar lingo stuff in it.

[Jagstang666]

That's awesome.

[MonsterZero]

Those are people with low self esteem. Theu feel crappy about themselves, and need to make others feel bad. This makes them feel better. Let it roll off...

[rockfacef200]

i was on stage for the first time last thursday and no one said anything but 'holy hell!' or 'r u in a band?'. but not the point. people that are better than you or listen to better music of the genre u both like usually never tell you u did bad as soon as u get off stage. they talk sht away from where u get depressed about it. but anyone who says that right after u walk off stage r *******s. just rely on the majority opinion

[Jam£s]

Yeh, dont let any of this get to ya. When i did a small gig recently there were a few people who didn't appreciate some of my licks...
But that dont matter. It only made me more determined to lay out a killer solo. At the end of the day everybody out there is willing you on and not one of them has the right to put you down. rock on anyway my man!

[This message has been edited by Jam£s (edited April 05, 2004).]

[MikeJump]

i remember my first time a couple weeks ago.. i forgot the words to the song i was singing...

my hand were shaking.. i coudnt even play.. and i kept getting lost...

ahhahahahah

Ide go up on stage again when i get the chancE!!!

[SKEETER]

I don't even remember my first time on stage, I have been doing it so long... after a while it gets to be like driving a car.... you just do it without thinking much about it. I play bass in a local band that does rock era music, we do a lot of private parties and like that, and it gets to the point that if there is a TV in the place we are playing I catch myself watching TV while we are playing, hehe.......

[tweetersaway]

Relax, don't let people like that bother you. I myself have never gigged, but have spoken publically, and there's always going to be somebody who doesnt "like" you or your music for whatever reason. Just tell yourself that they're wrong. As long as you like you your music and you can even find a gig, you'll be fine. Just don't let them get to you. Personally, I don't care, people say I suck day and night, but I don't care because I'm happy with myself and that's all that really matters

[AcousticShred]

I guess I am lucky, the few times I get to perform on stage, people seem to really like it. Not saying I am any better than any of you, just that I chose "audience friendly" stuff that I can do well.

[supercobra]

Feedback can serve a couple of purposes:
1) It can tell you how well you are doing
2) It can help to motivate you

The thing is, you have to qualify how seriously you will accept a particular person's feedback. The people you are talking about are what I would call 'jerkoffs'. There is no point in taking their feedback seriously, because what they say can't help you.

I recommend that you pick a few people that you respect to get feedback from. Its especially helpful if they have varying perspectives on what they are looking for in a band. Perhaps one person can critique your guitar chops, maybe someone else can comment on stage presence/show, and perhaps a third can comment on song selection. Its important that you get feedback from people who will actually tell you the truth, as opposed to blowing smoke up your hiney.

When I play live, I politely listen to what anyone has to say, but I qualify their comments. For example, I'm not going to take advice on song selection from the guy who constantly shouts for "Sweet Home Alabama", but if I do play a Southern Rock song, I'll look to see if that person likes it.

As for hip-hop people, I give them very little credit for having a valid opinion, because I play rock music.

By the way, your most important critic is yourself. You know if you are nailing the parts, singing well, or putting on a good show. Back up your own impressions with those of people you respect, and you will keep growing as a performer.

[100%TEXAN]

I hate you too!!!!

Naw man, I just pulling your (virtual) leg :D

[crusty]

When bad things like that happen to me, I use the bad energy to my advantage by channeling it into my playing. Unfortunately it happened after you got off stage. They could be regulars at that bar. I say book a few more gigs there just to **** em off!

[bdemon]

Someone told you your performance sucked after a show. That's crazy...no validity in that. Just some pud being a jerk.

I think the tough part all of us deal with is that there will always be people who don't like your music--and people who do. I booked a few gigs at a local brewpub. I played this guitar-synth called a Ztar, did some orchestral stuff, some techno and some wacked out stuff. Alternated with an acoustic/singer guy to keep the night from being too progressive. Both of us got great feedback. I sold CDs, a woman even tipped me personally. Then the singer emails me, says he tried to get us a third gig, but the manager would only book him--didn't want me back.

Frustrating, but as long as you enjoy what you're creating you keep making it happen. Do it for yourself first.

[Keith]

I was on stage for the first time last night, I played a few songs I wrote and a couple favorites. It was awesome! Everyone seemed to love us. But then theres the few envious jerks that come up to to tell you that you suck after the concert. Its like they don't even care that we practice all day all night to do something special. All your hard work will never matter to some of these people, you just have to be proud of yourself. sigh* well I guess this is drama huh?
The ones that told me I sucked, just made me want to play harder and louder.
Next time( if it happens). hand them a guitar and tell them if they can do better, then do it, or shut the hell up.I did that at one show, and he backed down and all his friends just broke up over it.Now.. they're my friends too :)
and he still sux

[Brendo613]

That's some good thinking, and a brave move on your part to offer your equipment ... I, being more conservative and gear-babying, would've told him to get his own gig and prove me wrong :lol11:.

Ahhh, what will we do with the ignorami ... :rolleyes1

=Brendan= :cool1:

[MistaMusicMan]

Dont let ppl tell you if you suck, you'll know your good if YOU like what your playing

[socialparasite]

"The ones that told me I sucked, just made me want to play harder and louder."

I have a short story similiar to that. I dropped out of High School and alomost my whole family told me day in and day out you will never amount to **** and only end up and jail with your other pot head friends. Also the another complaint at that time you will never get a good job with that hair down to your shoulders why dont you cut it? Well I am now working on my Masters and I let my hair grow to my *** until cutting it about a year ago. My point is I think If they would not have put me down so bad and did not believe in me I might not have that ambition to be were I am now :D Now all i get is great comments about how proud everyone is of my success so far :rolleyes: Also my cousin said I would never be better then him at guitar he was cocky cause he could play a little Metallica :think1: Now I can run circles around him and he has decided to play bass :D NOTHING I MEAN NOTHING is more rewarding when people put you down and they have to eat their words :talker1: ;)

[Brendo613]

Mmm, sweet revenge ...

=Brendan= :devil1:

[crusty]

socialparasite:

So what you're saying is you droped out of school and everyone thought you were a failure, and now that you're back in school working on a masters they see you as a success?

[socialparasite]

You have it right :D Which is BS in IMHO. I am now looked upon the as the good son while my sister is now the bad kid :lmao: Anyways I will say that all the put downs gave me fuel to do better but i also did it for myself :D

[roco90]

I have to sing and play lead at the same time in my band. What I do is just not to try to do to much. When you want to play lead tell your band that we need to have a non-vocal section of the song so you can play lead. Its hard to play lead when your singing. But chording is nothing. And if I want to add something I'll add a couple sevenths. Or power chords. Thats my stradegy. ;)

[gtrhrcane]

I was on stage for the first time last night, I played a few songs I wrote and a couple favorites. It was awesome! Everyone seemed to love us. But then theres the few envious jerks that come up to to tell you that you suck after the concert. Its like they don't even care that we practice all day all night to do something special. All your hard work will never matter to some of these people, you just have to be proud of yourself. sigh* well I guess this is drama huh?

:_devil: - regardless of your religious beliefs, I think most can agree that there is good and bad. This being the king of the bad, for all practical purposes, he's going to try any and everything to keep you from getting back up on stage. DO NOT LET IT HAPPEN. Fight the dragon. ( Not STONE...) don't let it get ya down. To borrow a term from the HIP HOP scene, there's always going to be haters. They have to tear you down so they can wake up in the morning without their first thoughts being that of suicide. Foget abad it. Kapish? :cool:

[mik]

hey man, jus forget about those ********, your the guy that matters, the after response is not as important as the atmosphere, thats wat rock 'n' roll is, its telling people who dont like you to **** off and the people who worship you to get closer, play for the fans not for the jerks. How about writing a song about them

[Juro-Kun]

Those dudes must've been a bunch of punk-addict dickholes. They're like... Jellyfish. There's SO many more regular fish than Jellyfish. And Jellyfishs' stings can like be... shaken off.

Aw dude, I'm so dumb. I deserve a strap-thwap. (Uh.. aka pull the bra strap back and release. I hate those like... breaking strings. :()

[ImagineBagism]

well i dont see them up on stage performing like the rest of us

[SG_74]

I've got those kinda T***TS at my school as well, yup they mock you and say you suck, but then again whats their opinion compared to the rest of the audience. But honestly tho, the only reason they do it is to show off in front of their mates...well the only reason they're "mates" is cos they give eachother countless numbers of fags all the time, Anyway...we're talking about the kids that "hunt in packs" and if you approach them when they're on their own they'll usually give you a friendly nod cos they're wayyyy to scared to do anything. They rely on other people to make them happy so just ignore them. I usually point them out on stage and when the audience turn round, they run off...spineless ********!

Anyways! Keep playing! They're only a minority!

-< O's >-

[spideypunk]

Dont worry about those people dude, If you let them get to you youll never break out and make something more, just remember 99% of those people are just jelous, and most of them are drunk too! :)

Dont let anyone put you off!!

[lenchmob]

"The ones that told me I sucked, just made me want to play harder and louder."

I have a short story similiar to that. I dropped out of High School and alomost my whole family told me day in and day out you will never amount to **** and only end up and jail with your other pot head friends. Also the another complaint at that time you will never get a good job with that hair down to your shoulders why dont you cut it? Well I am now working on my Masters and I let my hair grow to my *** until cutting it about a year ago. My point is I think If they would not have put me down so bad and did not believe in me I might not have that ambition to be were I am now :D Now all i get is great comments about how proud everyone is of my success so far :rolleyes: Also my cousin said I would never be better then him at guitar he was cocky cause he could play a little Metallica :think1: Now I can run circles around him and he has decided to play bass :D NOTHING I MEAN NOTHING is more rewarding when people put you down and they have to eat their words :talker1: ;)

Jesus does that sound familiar. The only exception was it was closer to home. Now they're eating there own words.

As far as the other comments about people in the crowd and their remarks about your playing: There's always going be to be some bonehead out there who can do it better than you or so they think. Don't even worry about it you have to live up to your own expectations and that's what's important -not theirs..

[HappyBivouac]

rap blows

that's really not fair. there's seriously some absolutely amazing rap out there.

[YowhatsupT]

ummmm......besides gangsters paradise there is nothing that is "amazing" about rap........nothing is original........its all sounds someone made on a machine

[HappyBivouac]

have you ever heard Del tha Funkee Homosapien? he can work words into his raps that most people can't even work into a thesis paper.

and yes, most of the music is made on a sequencer/sampler of some sort, but who's slaving over that thing, making sure every single little element that they use times out correctly? a person.

i'm not saying that you should like all rap (i don't; i dislike most of the hacks who get the most exposure), i'm just saying that due respect should be paid to the hard work, effort, and creativity that goes into creating it, just the same as any other type of music.

[YowhatsupT]

three words and no offence...

rap isn't music

its bad poetry with a beat..... AND regular poetry is MUCH different from music...all though they have a rythem and patter.

[Slipstream]

Someone said "it's like driving a car". Yeah, sometimes ya hit things, sometimes ya don't(just kidding).

My first time on stage my fingers shook so much I could hardly play. Now I use the nervous energy to play better. You have yer good days, and ya have yer bad ones.

I notice you said they gave ya crap AFTER the show. They were still there. If I can't stand listening to a band, I'm gone by the time their done.

[Rayman]

rap isn't music

I don't listen to rap, but I can see that for some people it satisfies a cultural or emotional need, and that there is skill involved in putting together a rap song. It may not have all the elements I think of when I think of 'music', but it's definitely a form of sonic art.

There's no good and bad music. There's just music you like, and music you don't. The problem arises when people become confused and start to think the music they like must be 'good', then proceed to act like that's a fact and interact with other people on that basis. That's when they become 'jerks' to those other people.

[socialparasite]

All in good humor here i guess i am a jerk cause i am not for bling bling and 20 inch rims on my car. It seems to me these days that is what almost all rap is about. I dont see art in bragging about your rims and how much money you got. To me it is childish and sets a bad example for the youth that think the only thing in life is bling bling, rims, weed, and 4.....0 in my hand. Not all rap is bad though but there seems to be more bad then good this day and time. :D

[Rayman]

To me it is childish and sets a bad example for the youth...

That's what being young is all about. You let yourself be defined by other things, by the opinions of other people - and that gives you a sense of belonging, which makes you feel secure. And one of the needs of a group of people is to be able to stand apart from another group, to draw the line in the middle and say - we're on this side and you're on that side. Think about it - where would be the fun in belonging to a group that your parents passionately approve of?

That whole thing is part of growing up. Eventually you go through a phase of 'becoming mature', when you start assessing what you actually believe in, rather than simply being swept along by life. You say "hang on for a minute", you drop an anchor, then you start thinking "what is this river I'm travelling down? Why am I on this particular side of the river? What's on the other side? Which side do I actually want to be on? What's under the surface here? Whoa... this river's actually pretty deep once you get your head underneath the surface!" Then when you're done, you lift your anchor and start moving more purposefully, rather than floating blissfully along. Some people never stop to do that. It's not a natural part of everyone's life. That's why you come across so many people in their 40s or 50s (or even older) who are behaving the same way they did in high school. There are so many people out there who simply exist. No purpose, no goal, just existence.

[socialparasite]

[QUOTE=Rayman]That's what being young is all about. You let yourself be defined by other things, by the opinions of other people - and that gives you a sense of belonging, which makes you feel secure. And one of the needs of a group of people is to be able to stand apart from another group, to draw the line in the middle and say - we're on this side and you're on that side. Think about it - where would be the fun in belonging to a group that your parents passionately approve of?

I was not personally in any group that my parents approved of they thought i was in a cult :lmao: I just dis-approve of rap that preaches about the dolla dolla bill yo. Its annoying and even if you wanted to rebel against your parents or whomever why would anyone pick this? Its all about whats popluar and MTV dominates most youths minds. They play metal but not until everyone is in bed which is wrong IMHO. I have seen rap dominate airplay and tv for well over a decade now and i am tired of people thinking this is the only music out there and way to live. FUSE is a lot better music channel along with VH1 classic they actually play guitar related songs so i am a big fan. In most rap vids it is about growing up in the ghetto and how rough it was then rappers make a rap video and show how proud they are to buy the bling. Well I grew up poor as hell as well. One day i will have a good job after college hopefully and if i become some famous guitar player in a bad an get rich i promise i would not show my gold chains,diamonds, rims, and females that i have bend over. That would be kind of funny though to put that in a rock metal vid. :D could you imagine? Anyways i understand your point but at the same time this trend of bling seems to not be going away only getting worse. Nothing is more annoying to me then this white dude i have class with that has his hair in corn rolls and walks around like he would shoot you with a limp in his walk. I have thought many times about holding him down and start smashing his leg with a baseball bat then say hey... now you got something to limp about you ignorant ***. My point is I notice that my friends that listen to rap acts like the dude i just gave an example of. WHY? I guess its just a pet peeve of mine. Its annoying and a lot of youth does not see past it i wish it would end

[Rayman]

I hardly ever watch TV, so I don't really know how bad TV is these days. I use my TV for playing videogames, and for watching DVDs. So I guess that screws up the whole 'tele' part of 'television', but I can't really go out and talk about using my 'vision', can I? People would think I'm loopy.

Anyway. Shaping the minds of the people is what TV is all about. All mass media is about telling people what to think, what's good and what's not, what's right and wrong. Other people have religion that gives their life that framework.

The key moment is when someone becomes aware that they have a brain in their head that they can use to form their own opinion. That's the magical moment. Once you arrive at that moment, you don't suddenly drop your entire belief system and start with a blank slate. What you do is to start examining and assessing all of your beliefs, seeing if they make sense to you or not. You keep the stuff that makes sense, and let go of the stuff that doesn't.

The vital thing is that people keep reaching that moment. I really don't give a damn about what people do with their life up to that moment, but I really desperately care about people reaching that moment. It's like when Keanu gets 'unplugged' in the original Matrix. That's a very powerful piece of imagery, and that's exactly what happens to someone in that moment.

Imagine if nobody ever got unplugged any more... That's the scariest thought in the world. Everyone would simply exist, then die, and eventually the planet would just end. Well, the planet will eventually end one day... nothing's eternal. But it'd be nice if we used the time well, don't you think?

[socialparasite]

I realize with age most people grow and change that was not my complaint to begin with. My complaint was about a certain type of music that seems to be brainwashing people as i know media does do this to lots of people. For example CNN,NBC ect are totally different then Foxs news. WHY? CNN and NBC, CBS are liberal democratic run news channels. Anyways I understand what you are saying and i agree with you but my view will not change on this matter because i realized long ago I have my own believes, religion, and thoughts. I do not watch TV other then a few channels FUSE, VH1 classic, and FOX news. TV does suck i am thinking about disconnecting my cable it would be just one less bill I would not have to pay.

[hammer]

socialparasite: I agree man. I think the reason the media/music-industry/fasion-industry loves the rap/bling stuff is it grows and reinforces a consumer mentality in the viewers. They watch, they want, they buy... and someone else gets rich. It's just like milking the cows except these cows are people. :cryin1:

I think the industry is far more calculating than most people realize. I bet they spend BIG money studying how youth culture works so they can exploit it.

[Rayman]

TV does suck...

You know what doesn't suck? Books. Books are able to give you context. You can take as long as you need to read and digest the information in them. They don't need to gloss over things, or simplify things, because they're not being targetted at a mass market. You avoid that whole 'lowest common denominator' thing that happens with news and information that's packaged for the mass market.

Having said that - there are plenty of mainstream books. But there are also plenty of very valuable, insightful, thought provoking books out there. It's very reassuring to know that there are still lots of people out there who think deeply about issues.

[Rayman]

I bet they spend BIG money studying how youth culture works so they can exploit it.

You win your bet! That's what drives them. Watch the documentary 'The Corporation' if you want to understand how we ended up here.

[hammer]

You win your bet! That's what drives them. Watch the documentary 'The Corporation' if you want to understand how we ended up here.

I don't know if it would be good for me to become more cynical than I already am. :(

Only joking! Well... only half joking. I'd like to check it out.

[Rayman]

There's no evil involved in any of it, just self interest... and that's the sad thing. People see self interest as a sound basis for their entire worldview, but self interest is what leads to most of the harm in the world.

[socialparasite]

socialparasite: I agree man. I think the reason the media/music-industry/fasion-industry loves the rap/bling stuff is it grows and reinforces a consumer mentality in the viewers. They watch, they want, they buy... and someone else gets rich. It's just like milking the cows except these cows are people. :cryin1:

I think the industry is far more calculating than most people realize. I bet they spend BIG money studying how youth culture works so they can exploit it.


Yeah i agree and they do spend lots of money. Thats where marketing comes into place as well. If you remember Grunge was big in the early 90's. Remember the models wearing flannel and other grunge related clothes? I thought that was funny and i cant help but laugh about it when i think of the model coming down the walkway wearing a flannel and holes in a pair of jeans :lmao: Even if you hated the music scene you got love that part about it. It scared the hell out of the fashion industry they were really happy once the music died down :hmmm: I hope something totally aweful fashion wise comes in again cause i want to see the models wearing cowboy boots with a pair of shorts and a dress shirt and tie :D

[Rayman]

I wear budget priced no-name clothes from Target. Out of choice, not necessity. If I ever make it big it's going to be very easy for my fans to dress like me... if I end up attracting fans that needy and shallow, that is!

Grrr... Dvorak... google 'QWERTY Dvorak' if you want to know what I'm talking about. This is day 1 of Dvorak for me. I'll bet that within a month Dvorak will be just as intuitive as QWERTY was, and then I'll have the advantage of using a keyboard layout that was designed to speed you up, rather than slow you down.

[HappyBivouac]

socialparasite: I agree man. I think the reason the media/music-industry/fasion-industry loves the rap/bling stuff is it grows and reinforces a consumer mentality in the viewers. They watch, they want, they buy... and someone else gets rich. It's just like milking the cows except these cows are people. :cryin1:

I think the industry is far more calculating than most people realize. I bet they spend BIG money studying how youth culture works so they can exploit it.

ok, this has led down a path that i wasn't expecting it to, and i feel the need to clarify my position. most mainstream rap, i can't stand. Ludacris, 50 Cent, et al can all develop giant kidney stones for all i care. the kind of rap i'm into is the stuff you can tell that some effort went into, that some corporate mogul didn't commission some overpaid producer to process like Kraft singles. namely, i'm talking about underground stuff. and i tend to not really get into the branch of rap that talks about how hard they had it growing up, because that's just completely hackneyed and played-out at this point. i prefer rap that's more lighthearted and carefree and isn't afraid to have a sense of humor, à la Del tha Funkee Homosapien and mc chris.

and i'm just as much against the constant commercialization and trivialization of music and culture as anyone else here. it's why a lot of homogenized pap gets pushed by the major media conglomerates, while a vast array of awesome music just wallows in obscurity.

[YowhatsupT]

I don't listen to rap, but I can see that for some people it satisfies a cultural or emotional need, and that there is skill involved in putting together a rap song. It may not have all the elements I think of when I think of 'music', but it's definitely a form of sonic art.

There's no good and bad music. There's just music you like, and music you don't. The problem arises when people become confused and start to think the music they like must be 'good', then proceed to act like that's a fact and interact with other people on that basis. That's when they become 'jerks' to those other people.


um then im a jerk...ok.......thats not the point.

Rap is NOT music. It is POETRY that someone is singing....and usually they are bad poets.....and have annoyin voices...and stupid messages...

[YowhatsupT]

People have to agree with Raman about this corporate crap....If you are interested read Neil Postman's Amusing Ourselves to Death. Seriously i HIGHLYL recommend that book.

[socialparasite]

Why do people find it cool to be considered only underground music listeners? I have never understood. As soon as the band or rapper becomes famous they act like they dont like them or never did.

[YowhatsupT]

just cause they wanna be different i think...I get the impression its because alot of muscisians are great and REALLY original when they first start but once they get mainstreem they dont always grow and become kinda sellouts

[socialparasite]

I kind of agree with you. I guess there is an exception to everything. Zep!!! They grew as a band and did so much more I thought coming from underground and going all the way to the top for a long time. I am sure Pink Floyd was also considered underground at one point in time.

[Rayman]

Why do people find it cool to be considered only underground music listeners?

Because they're immature. If they grow up they'll realise that the music is the only thing that matters. Where it comes from is irrelevant.

[YowhatsupT]

I kind of agree with you. I guess there is an exception to everything. Zep!!! They grew as a band and did so much more I thought coming from underground and going all the way to the top for a long time. I am sure Pink Floyd was also considered underground at one point in time.

zepplin was underground?????????!!! i dont think so.....jimmy page was in the yardbirds a band that was highly succesful...it broke up and jimmy was originally going to call the band the new yardbirds.

[Slipstream]

I don't even remember my first time on stage, I have been doing it so long... after a while it gets to be like driving a car.... you just do it without thinking much about it. I play bass in a local band that does rock era music, we do a lot of private parties and like that, and it gets to the point that if there is a TV in the place we are playing I catch myself watching TV while we are playing, hehe.......
I was wondering why our bass player keeps missing the changes! Just kidding, I often jam with different players every Thursday at the blues jams. Sometimes the sound man (a guitar player) will sit in for the drummer or bass player just 'cause nobody showed up that knows how. He's been doing it for some time, and he's actually not bad. You just never know who's going to be showin' up.

[socialparasite]

zepplin was underground?????????!!! i dont think so.....jimmy page was in the yardbirds a band that was highly succesful...it broke up and jimmy was originally going to call the band the new yardbirds.


yeah but page did not start playing out in front of thousands of people did he? I dont think any famous person did they had to start out in small crowds? Maybe i am wrong but i just dont see how it is possiable for a young lad to start playing his first song in front of thousands of people in the first few times of giging

[Slipstream]

Jimmy Page was a studio session musician until he was 22. That was in '66 when he started out as a bass player for the Yardbirds. He switched to lead guitar when Jeff Beck left the band shortly after Page joined.

[socialparasite]

Jimmy Page was a studio session musician until he was 22. That was in '66 when he started out as a bass player for the Yardbirds. He switched to lead guitar when Jeff Beck left the band shortly after Page joined.


I know that thats not the point i am trying to get around too. He did not start out as the jimmy page we know today. When he was playing and struggling with chords i am sure he was in his bedroom playing in front of a handful of friends

[YowhatsupT]

sure he was...but that hardly makes zep underground he was already a kick *** guitar player by the time he hit zep and he was already famous.

[paddy]

A lot of guitar players have a pretty distorted view of the world. We think that if we're a good player we'll be accepted by other people. We need to be accepted by other people if we're going to be a worthwhile individual. We use up all this energy learning to play a guitar so that we can feel good about ourselves and if we suck we think we're a failure or if someone else says we suck then they think we're a failure. It's all pretty dumb really.

[modfather]

were u in a bar. were there pool ques handy. sorry im scotish :P

[socialparasite]

sure he was...but that hardly makes zep underground he was already a kick *** guitar player by the time he hit zep and he was already famous.


When i think of led zep i think of Jimmy page first at hand. Even though all the memebers were talented. I guess iwas in the mind set of Jimmy page being led zep and he had to be underground at one time before being in yard birds and zep. Sorry for the confusion my bad :D

[Slipstream]

Can that guy play guitar, or what? Jimmy Page is a lot more influential than I thought. Between the bands he's been in and the session work he did, he recorded on 60% of all the rock in the "British Invasion". I've always liked his playing. In the early '70s I was playing along with Zep's albums. Bring It On Home is one of the first songs I ever learned. Heartbreaker was my favorite, but I could never get it down. Propably still can't. I went and re-read his bio ( http://www.jimmypageonline.com/11318/index.html ) and realized that he's 60 years old now. Man, that guy is said to have sold over 200 million albums!

I too think 'Jimmy Page' when I hear about Led Zeplin, and I think it's awesome that so many young people appreciate his work (read 'play'). I'd like to see him jam with Eric Clapton. Ya think if I invited them to play at my birthday party they'd come?

(yeah, right :) )

Anybody remember the Nashville Teens' Tobacco Road? What a cool jam. I didn't know that was him until I read the bio.

I think what Jimi Hendrix meant to say was "Scuse me while I . . . go put on a Led Zeplin album"!

[socialparasite]

I always thought it would have been cool for hendrix and page to do a bluesy album together. Anyways yeah I like page and respect him a lot and love his music. He explored different types of sound thats what i like best about him :D

[YowhatsupT]

Can that guy play guitar, or what? Jimmy Page is a lot more influential than I thought. Between the bands he's been in and the session work he did, he recorded on 60% of all the rock in the "British Invasion". I've always liked his playing. In the early '70s I was playing along with Zep's albums. Bring It On Home is one of the first songs I ever learned. Heartbreaker was my favorite, but I could never get it down. Propably still can't. I went and re-read his bio ( http://www.jimmypageonline.com/11318/index.html ) and realized that he's 60 years old now. Man, that guy is said to have sold over 200 million albums!

I too think 'Jimmy Page' when I hear about Led Zeplin, and I think it's awesome that so many young people appreciate his work (read 'play'). I'd like to see him jam with Eric Clapton. Ya think if I invited them to play at my birthday party they'd come?



(yeah, right :) )

Anybody remember the Nashville Teens' Tobacco Road? What a cool jam. I didn't know that was him until I read the bio.

I think what Jimi Hendrix meant to say was "Scuse me while I . . . go put on a Led Zeplin album"!


haha i would love that...but you know what...they did jam together....where do you think Page got alot of his ideas for Zep....hehhe

[YowhatsupT]

I always thought it would have been cool for hendrix and page to do a bluesy album together. Anyways yeah I like page and respect him a lot and love his music. He explored different types of sound thats what i like best about him :D


that'd be cool but throw in BB King and Clapton and mebbe some Robert Johnson

[YowhatsupT]

When i think of led zep i think of Jimmy page first at hand. Even though all the memebers were talented. I guess iwas in the mind set of Jimmy page being led zep and he had to be underground at one time before being in yard birds and zep. Sorry for the confusion my bad :D


haha its cool man

[Slipstream]

haha i would love that...but you know what...they did jam together....where do you think Page got alot of his ideas for Zep....hehhe
I know they played together, I just never got to see it. Heck, Page jammed with just about everyone who's anyone at one time or another. If there's a DVD with the two of them together I'll buy it. I'll do a search for it. I have two EC DVDs now, one is with Sheryl Crow and Bob Dylan. Crow is good on it, but Dylan kinda sucks - and I'm a Dylan fan (usually).

Here's just a few of the talent Jimmy Page played with:

Rolling Stones, The Kinks, Them, John Mayall, Jeff Beck, Paul Rogers, Graham Nash, Steven Stills, The Black Crows, The Band, and even, yes, Puff Daddy! Plus who knows who else. Since Hendrix went to England before he made it big here, he probably jammed with him too at one time.

[Slipstream]

I found it, sort of. A. R. M. S. Concert Vol. 2 (1983) on Amazon.com (not in stock) $35. Doesn't say if they actually play together, or if they just performed at the same concert.

[YowhatsupT]

he played with the band? I thought that was just Clapton who sponsored them. puff Daddy? uck....I know he played with Beck haha, he played with Mayall?

[Slipstream]

I found a web page with some of his albums on it. Too much to list here, but the link is: http://www.stryder.de/jpage.html it's called Jimmy Page Session Man, and has a bazillion tunes he did with other people. Check it out.

[Slipstream]

Oh yeah, sorry for hijackin' yer thread Aaron, got caught up in thinkin' about Jimmy Page. I'm sure he went through 'growing pains' when he was young :)

[YowhatsupT]

yeah lol, but in all fairness this thread has been here for months lol.

[YowhatsupT]

slipstream you need to talk to dkitt a bit

[Slipstream]

Dang, gotta watch them posting dates! Anyway who's dkitt? A Jimmy Page fan I take it.

[YowhatsupT]

yeah send him a message and then you guys should start a jimmy Page thread

[Brendo613]

Wow, surprised to hear you didn't know Clapton played with John Mayall :eeksgn: Check out John Mayall and the Bluesbreakers, fantastic early Clapton from back then. Still not as noticable as his soloing days in Cream, but definitely great albums to check out.

=Brendan= :stereo:

[Slipstream]

huh? :confuse:

[Brendo613]

Clapton recorded with John Mayall and the Bluesbreakers back in the late '60s, and made one of my favorite albums: "John Mayall and the Bluesbreakers with Eric Clapton". His solo's aren't in every song, like when he was in Cream, but they are still excellent examples of what he can do. Highly recommended for blues heads such as meself :003:

=Brendan= :tongue: Better?

[mayday]

i wish some of the people that have heard me play would tell me that i stink. when i play for someone they say i'm good, but i know i stink. been playing for twenty five years and still can't play in front of people. i play so so when i'm by myself,but i freak out around poeple.

[YowhatsupT]

Wow, surprised to hear you didn't know Clapton played with John Mayall :eeksgn: Check out John Mayall and the Bluesbreakers, fantastic early Clapton from back then. Still not as noticable as his soloing days in Cream, but definitely great albums to check out.

=Brendan= :stereo:

hahaha woops i wasn't thinking bluesbreakers i was thinking that modern guy who plays the acoustic and who I dont really like.

[jackie chan]

i wish some of the people that have heard me play would tell me that i stink. when i play for someone they say i'm good, but i know i stink. been playing for twenty five years and still can't play in front of people. i play so so when i'm by myself,but i freak out around poeple.
You're right we all know that you are no good at all playing guitar, :p but we can't tell you the truth.
Everyone can't be best :D

[Jeebas_13]

BINGO.
dont you just hate it when they reverse advertise on TV, like they'll say "Australia's no. 1 new drama". "everybody's talking about....."or something simular to get people to watch it because people will think that everyone is watching it, and they cant miss out.
I guess it plays on what hammer said. they are definately devious because they know that most people become to trust and rely on the TV system as they grow up with it basing their own views relatively to whats on the box. At the end of the day, THE tv and radio mediums are very limited becuase its never a moderated opionion becuause it only works one way. Its basically used now for advertising, via brainwashing. I think you can see it for what it is more now with the growth of the internet...maybe.. maybe thats cos im getting older

[CodeLizard26]

[QUOTE=HappyBivouac]have you ever heard Del tha Funkee Homosapien? he can work words into his raps that most people can't even work into a thesis paper.

and yes, most of the music is made on a sequencer/sampler of some sort, but who's slaving over that thing, making sure every single little element that they use times out correctly? a person.

Actually, its interesting to note that even most of rap music now isn't something made on a sequencer, its made up mostly of samples (And sometimes whole track rips) of someone elses music.

How can anyone call it talent to 'rip' someone elses music? Thats not creative... hell, I know kids that can do that.

And what /really/ gets me is the balls these guys have calling it 'thier music', after they're done... like they even so much as put a small amount of effort into creating the music at all... like hell, "hey lets throw in a standard drum beat, and start rhymin yo" "Naw homie, dis aint enuf, here lets rip some 80's music in the background, and rhyme to it wif da backbeat." "Wherd... thats dope yo! bling bling!"

Give me a [Censored] break.... It just makes me want to :hammer: people like that.

:rolleyes:

-- CodeLizard...

[GuitarzanMan]

My worst critics are normally my own freinds/acquantences...I think it helps them feel like they are part of the band and they are trying to make you better...don't sweat the small stuff... :cool:

[fused]

What I've found is that those that are really really good, won't diss anybody.
Those that suck....diss everybody...

Chin up...you must be doing something right...those that can't play their way out of a paper bag to save their life..., just told ya so :)

fused

[clem snide]

hey dont let them get you down man.hang in their man. :D

[Gar]

If they think you suck so bad then why do they watch you? My opinion is just like everyone elses. Pure jealousy. They see how good you are so their only way to retaliate is to lash out with false accusations and insults. Mudslinging doesn't make music. Playing it does.

[Pick_Master]

it really brings u down when jerks like that do kinda thing

[PerianArdocyl]

Man, that's just wrong...I get edgy plenty of times when other better guitarists move onto my turf, even when they're not trying to outdo me, but the best you can do is smile and be a good sport. I don't have to like it, but I still try to take it in stride. And they had no business taking the initiative to walk right up to your face and tell you they had a problem with you. :hmmm:

[moongoose29]

First of all ask the jerk if he can play at all this usualy get the response you want when they tell you no if they can't do it at all then they should be quiet. Don't let it get to you if you felt good about your show then I say good on ya you entertained some folks and if one or 2 people try to ruin it for you they are not the kind of sort to listen to about your skills.

[Baker Doug]

Focus on the people who were getting in to it.Didn`t you say most people enjoyed it?Theres always somebody who does`t like it.
My most memorable bummer was when another band asked us if they could play a couple.My brother,who was our lead player and soul song writter was so ****** that he packed up his stuff and left.I would have let those guys play. I think I knew one of them from the neighborhood.Anyway I`m not in a band with my brother anymore.
The next time I played out a bunch of people started dancing.I got hooked on that rush.3 Bands later I`ll still do anything except a crappy song.to play out

[Monster]

my band had just got done with the gig when someone yells out you suck, so i said in the mic fine if i suck you come up here and show me how to play.... that person who ever said it was quite after that,

the ones who say it are just ones who are jealous thaat they cant play and the GF are saying how cool you are.. makes them mad....

theres also a few jerks in every crowed...

[DaisyRocker]

Don't complain - just somebody to aim for if you get so drunk you have to throw... (Hastily) Not that I'd know anything about that, you understand - I'm a good girl, honest... :)

[Strat Rat]

I say Damn Yankees with Ted Nugent a bunch of years ago and Terrible Ted said something to this effect.

" I see you staring at me, Saying to yourself that you could play better than I can, But guess what, You aint Ted F***** Nugent and I am"

I think he summed it up quit well.
He was on stage and they paid to see the show.
End of story.

Dont give those guys a second thought unless it is to feel sorry for them :D

[pidgeongirl]

Don't take any notice of what that sort of person says!! That happened to me, but it wasn't about me personally, it was our singer. It really bugs me when people do that. Fair enough if they say 'You were ok, but your alternate picking sucked' or something that would help me improve, but that never happens does it?
xx

[pidgeongirl]

Don't complain - just somebody to aim for if you get so drunk you have to throw... (Hastily) Not that I'd know anything about that, you understand - I'm a good girl, honest... :)

Suuuuurreee :D